Please submit feedback here after Season 6 Episode 3 – ‘Oathbreaker’ has aired and we will do our best to include it in our midweek podcast recording.
Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) meets her future. Bran meets the past. Tommen confronts the High Sparrow (Jonathan Pryce). Arya (Maisie Williams) trains to be No One. Varys (Conleth Hill) finds an answer. Ramsay gets a gift.
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Not quite as action packed as the last episode however totally worth it to see Jon ‘ avenged’. Spent about ten minutes screaming at the screen when the damned Raven cut short the scene we’ve all been waiting for. Also screamed at my being tossed into the old biddy bingo club.
Last thought: ARTHUR DAYNE
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Overall:
I loved the episode. 85 out of 100. It was fairly solid as far as material and moving plots forward.
* I felt they gave me just enough of Ned’s past racing to castle to be enticing; leaving me craving as much as Bran; good Fourth Wall stuff.
* There were some minor things that were irritating and continuity based (SEE The bad); overall I thought the episode was quite enjoyable.
* Jon mirrors Beric Dondarrion’s words about seeing nothing but darkness after he passed ‘Afterwards, after they stabbed you, after you died, where did you go? What did you see? Nothing…’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2MGg_8TF9g
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The Good:
* Ned Stark and Howland Reed battling Ser Arthur Dayne. Easily the best sword battle of the show so far in my opinion.
* I loved the clashing of the actual truth in Bran’s green sight with Ned’s recollection of the fight with Ser Arthur Dayne.
* The Mountain staring at Pycelle as he quickly slinks off after calling him an ‘abomination’
* Cersei and Jaime sitting alone at the Hand of the King’s meeting table was hilariously awkward at showing how powerless they have become.
* Jon hanging his mutineers (see the Bad).
* Tommen does have regard for the Gods (spiritual conscience), which I questioned last episode. This helps set up an inner conflict for him as King as to what to do about the High Sparrow regarding the situation with the Queen and his Mother.
This conflict would have helped explain why he sequestered himself behind the door while his Mother and wife were locked up in jail cells last season. It also works well though with him having a reason to question the trial of his mother after her atonement.
Best Line: ‘What kind of god would have a pecker that small?’
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The Bad:
Jon Snow had *six* people stab him death: Ser Alliser, Olly, Othell Yarwyck, Bowen Marsh, a Black Brother with Long hair, and one unseen person
(There are actually 13 Black Brothers surrounding him including Olly.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6DmWeJtKKs
He has *seven* stab wounds (six match the story line):
https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/snow3.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&strip=all
I am going to guess that Jon either has no recollection of the other six men who were at the scene, however surely Jon remembers the other
two Black Brothers that stabbed him though right? Why aren’t they being hung along with Ser Alliser, Olly, Othell Yarwyck, Bowen Marsh? There should be six men being hung; not four:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/09/05/33F8D13900000578-3580252-image-a-47_1462768037181.jpg
* Does it make sense for Sam to take Gilly to Horn Hill? Won’t Sam’s father kill him if he goes there or make it look like a hunting accident? If that’s the case why would be house a wildling woman and child that he is claiming to be his? Wouldn’t his father try to kill them all? Am I missing something here?
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Unknown:
* Did Ned actually hear Bran through the Green sight? Is there a way someone with Green sight can communicate with someone in the past? If there was a way, isn’t it possible to change the future by going to the past? Sort of like on the TV show Lost (where you cannot change fate; just the ways of getting to that specific fate.)
* Was that Lyanna screaming from the tower that Ned was racing to? Why was the woman screaming?
* What will Ser Kevan do about the death of Myrcella?
* How long is it going to take for Bran to learn *everything*? That’s got to take a few years right?
* What is the message Varys and Tyrion intend to deliver to the Good Masters of Astapor, the Wise Masters of Yunkai, and benevolent enslavers of Volantis?
* Will the Men of the Knights watch hold Jon accountable for breaking his oath? The death penalty obviously wouldn’t work for him with Mel by his side.
* What are Jon’s next plans?
* Has Jon lost a bit of his soul? He appears to be the same?
* Is Arya still Arya or did she transition over to becoming a faceless person by sipping the water from the pool that typically kills pilgrims who come there?
* What happened to other folks on Arya’s list? Is she shortening it on purpose or is she really losing her identity?
* Was that really Rickon Stark? Is House Umber really giving Rickon Stark to the Bolton’s? They aren’t swearing Fealty to them. That whole list of scenes was weird. Was that Shaggydog’s head with a hook sticking out of it?
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* My vote is for Jon Snow winning this weeks Game of Thrones.
I keep thinking of Pat Benatar: ‘You’re an Oathbreaker, dream maker; love taker don’t you mess around with me’ 🙂
It appears Jon’s alliance with the Wildlings may cause Rickon his life. I would be very surprised if Rick wasn’t flayed and hung in a near future episode.
Oathbreaker Reaction
Another great instalment of season 6. It is becoming clearer where the focus for this year will be, Bran learning the secrets of his family’s past. Arya committing herself to her present path while Jon & Danny learn the consequences of the decisions they have taken. The season so far has brought the entire show into sharper focus. GoT for me right now is the story of the fall of the Westeros. After watching the great houses being brought low one by one. I feel I have been watching the ‘bad guys’ lose. The mystery for me that keeps me tuned in is to find out who the ‘good guys’ are. Season 6 seems to be saying keep on eye on those of questionable birth. Jon, whose mother is unknown; Tyrion who’s father may not be certain. Even the High Sparow has made it known he was not raised by his father. Could his parentage be his motive for his actions?
Learning the identity of Varyis’ little birds was very satisfying, I gasped an “of course!” on the reveal. It was good to see Sam & Gilly again and look forward to their arrival at Kings Landing.
Is Shaddy Dog Alive?
90 out of 100.
Oathbreaker draws together 5 seasons of story and backstory with a delicate economy of storytelling. I believe it will be an episode that is better appreciated as the series progresses.
So many broken or breaking oaths this episode
– Jon’s oath to the Nights Watch breaking with his death
– 4 men of the watch executed for breaking their oaths
– Smalljon Umber refusing to make an oath with the oath breaking Bolton House
– Samwell telling Gilly that he’s going to break his oath that they’ll never be apart
– Danerys being challenged for breaking the expectations of her wedding oaths and not going straight to the Khals widows
– Arya breaking her personal oath about her list and seemingly leaving it behind
– Rickon breaking his oath to Bran to not go back to Winterfell, perhaps with a plan in mind for Ramsay’s downfall
– And Bran discover that Ned Stark broke his personal oath to never tell a lie.
This week my winner of the game and devious negotiation was Varys
I was happy to hear that Roberto decided to continue the podcast and so far, Abe has been a great addition. I really enjoyed the first two episodes!
When I saw the title Oathbreaker, I immediately thought of the episode Oathkeeper from season 4 and thought it was a reference to that. If I remember correctly, that title mostly referred to Jamie and Brienne (and her sword) then. So the entire hour I kept waiting for Brienne to show up and break that vow in some way. Though in the end I’m glad that didn’t happen. Instead lots of other people broke their vows, as Katrina pointed out so well.
My favourite scene here was probably Arya’s training montage. Those can feel a little cheap, but between what we saw and heard here, this was awesomely put together. And I’m very glad we’re done with this part of the story and can move on and that we don’t have to spend a whole season checking in with Arya for a couple of minutes to see her be beaten with a stick.
A problem that comes from that though is that I wasn’t convinced at the end that she really was no one because for me as a viewer, not much time has passed. Just three episodes ago, she was still very much Arya Stark when she killed Meryn Trant. I also have no idea how much time has passed for her and how that relates to the other storylines. But that’s just a general problem when you have this many storylines in different locations that all move at a different speed that I can hopefully look past in the future. I think I’m just noticing that a lot now because we have a pretty clear idea of the time frame for what’s happening at Castle Black where it’s been about 2-3 days, I guess, since Jon died. But for everyone else it must be more than that.
I was surprised to see Rickon again, I wasn’t expecting that. I’m not looking forward to him and Osha being Ramsay’s next victims though. I have had enough of that.
Oh right, an explanation of my name would probably be good.
And then 2 minutes weren't enough
So, it’s “Mar” and then the “ei” sounds like an i, and then both letters in the “ke” are pronounced. Emphasis on the “ei”. I hope that helps.
Cersei using Tommen's power to create the Faith Militant could cause their undoing
Cersei using Tommen’s power to create the Faith Militant could cause their undoing
Hey Guys!,
You mentioned in last week’s podcast that Cersei was responsible (by King’s decree) for reinstating the Faith Militant. My point was if she reinstated it (by using Tommen’s power) why can’t she dismantle it? I suppose it’s not that easy, however I think that’s a good question.
If she’s found guilty by the Faith Militant of incest and mothering three children which were not Robert Baratheon’s true heirs, won’t that mean Tommen will be found to be an illegitimate King and all his decrees null and void? Wouldn’t that include the decree reinstatement of the Faith Militant? In essence, that would make them powerless again right? 🙂